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30.06.2008 | mabe

Internationale ASB-studerende fortæller om studielivet i andre lande

Vi har spurgt nogle udenlandske studerende om, hvor lang tid de studerende normalt bruger på en bacheloruddannelse i deres hjemland, og om fordele og ulemper ved at gennemføre på normeret tid.

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How long does it normally take to complete a Bachelor's degree in your country and roughly what percentage of students actually completes a degree within this time frame?

Oludotun Fashakin from Nigeria is a BA MMC student at ASB: 'Duration depends mainly on the study that one pursues, engineering, architecture and medicine takes 5-6 years respectively while others take 4 years. Technically, about 70% finish
within the specified period, but a lot less for engineering students as students spread the work load subject over an extra year.'



Daopeng Shen: 'In Belgium, it takes also three years to complete a Bachelor's degree. Most students complete their degrees on time. It is rather unusual to take a break throughout the higher education period. In some cases, a small number of students may re-take their first year due to failed exams.'

Sébastien Rosaye is an exchange student from the IUT Charlemagne in Nancy: 'In France, education follows the European frame, so it takes 3 years to complete a bachelor's degree.



There are 1.421.719 students who go to the university and 900.196 are registered for a bachelor degree (in 3 years) (I don't know the date of these figures but it's quite constant every year). 48% of the students pass their first year of bachelor's degree. On the 52% who failed, 30% try again, 16% change of field of study or change of study, 6% abandon. Every year, 90.000 students leave the university without a diploma.
According to the government, only 59% of the boys and 68,6% of the girls complete a bachelor's degree in three years.

Everybody in France can go to the university, there is no selection for the entrance. The selection starts at the end of the 1st year because of a 'numerus clausus' for each fields. Some fields like medicine or psychology has a high rate of failure because lots of people go there but there are only few places for the second year.'

Maria Meijaard is a Dutch exchange student from the Radboud University in Nijmegen: 'In The Netherlands, it takes usually 3 years to complete your bachelor's degree, and I think the largest part of the students finish it within 4 years.'


Candice Roth from Boise State University, US, studies Business Communication for one semester at ASB: 'In The United States, a basic bachelor's degree is set to be completed within 4 years, but that doesn't necessarily happen. Many students go into college unknowing of what they wish to pursue. This causes many to switch majors several times throughout their degree and this adds years to the program. I would say that there is a 50-50% chance an average student will graduate within the allotted 4 years.'

What are the incentives for completing a degree within the allotted timeframe and what are the consequences for exceeding the allotted time frame?

'In Belgium, the only incentive would be to start working as soon as possible. There're no direct consequences of exceeding the allotted time frame because most students do NOT get financial aid from the Belgian government anyway. The only incentive would be to start working as soon as possible. Belgian students need to support themselves financially. It is very common for them to work in July and August full-time in order to get the money for the coming academic year. (It is very uncommon for them to work part-time through the semesters like in Denmark). The French-speaking part of Belgium is less well-off than the Dutch-speaking part, so some students there also get a bit of help from their parents, if the money they earn from the summer job cannot cover the whole academic year. If their family income is below a certain level, the students are entitled to some financial aid from the Belgian government. However, their parents receive this money on behalf of them. Therefore, under no circumstances do the Belgian students get any financial aid from the government directly. The parents do receive a monthly child support, if the students are under the age of 25. The amount depends on age of the student, his/her parents' professions, and whether he/she is the only child. Normally it is a very small amount of money, nothing compared to the SU in Denmark.'

'In The United States, the main incentive for completing a degree on time would have to be the fact that you wouldn't need to receive Federal Aid Loans for another year. Federal Aid Loans (FAFSA) are expensive and many people spend the rest of their lives paying off the interest. Students are allowed to take as long as they want to in college, if they remain at full-time status. Full-time status consists of 12 credits per semester and each class is either 3 or 4 credits. There aren't consequences for exceeding the time limit of 4 years, but there are consequences for not remaining at full-time status. These include: delayed registration time, increased fees, and exclusion of student benefits (such as free gym access).'

'In The Netherlands, you get money from the government for four years. After that, you can only loan money from them. That's an incentive to finish your school within the 4 required years. The same counts for the free travelling card we receive. You can travel for free for four years while you're studying. After that, you have to pay.'

'In Nigeria:

Incentives:
- advantage when searching for jobs
- shows that one is brilliant and serious
- respect from family
- don't have to pay school fees

Consequences:
- might be a disadvantage when searching for jobs
- extra expenses for the parents (school fees etc.)
- depending on the programme, people or society might see you as unserious
- drop in cumulative grade point
- psychological effects (being in same class with one's juniors)
- loss of confidence
the last two consequences depends on the individual but the others are quite general.'

'In France, there is no incentive for completing a degree within the allotted timeframe except the norms. Students are supposed to do all their study at the beginning of their life and work afterward. Only the school of business (which are private) propose a year to have a work experience included in the master's degree.

The unemployment rate in France is very high and directors are often reticent to hire a young (mostly because it's very very difficult to fire someone in France) so they want experienced people. This is a vicious circle. Because of the high rate of unemployment students can't find a job if they don't have a degree, but when they have a degree, directors don't want to hire them because they're inexperienced. Another factor could appear: finance. In France, students can have a grant from the state if the incomes of their parents are low enough. But if they take too much time to get the degree (by failing at the exams, by changing of field of study, taking a year off to work (it's not common)), they loose their grant. So i could be hard for students to continue their studies because they cannot work while being student because of the reason explain above and because of a lack of time.

Moreover, the most famous universities and schools are centralised in Paris, which is a paradox because Paris is the most expansive city in France to live in (Just after New York and London) So students can't afford to have an apartment there (a 9m² room costs about 3.500 DKK per month). concerning the business studies, schools of business are not for free in France as they are in Denmark and the most famous are also in Paris (top 3) so the students have to pay for a very expansive apartment and a very expansive scholarship (About 52.000 DKK per year), without being able to work... This favour a certain élite in France and only rich offspring can afford to go in the best business schools.'